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dreamer_easy ([personal profile] dreamer_easy) wrote2007-08-05 07:31 pm
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Race and racism anon meme thing

International Blog Against Racism Week begins tomorrow, 6 August. Before the week officially starts, I'd like to try something a bit dodgy.

For the next twenty-four hours, you can leave an anonymous message here with any questions you have about race or racism. IP logging is off and there are no LJ Toys or other IP-capturing stuff to worry about.

I know many people are afraid to say or ask things about these subjects, for fear of looking stupid or causing offence. I'll delete anything that's obviously just supposed to be abusive, and anything that uses insulting words, but otherwise, anything goes. POC, please be warned: that means there may be annoying, frustrating, or offensive material - you may prefer not to read the comments left here.

I can't guarantee answers to questions that are posted, but I will try to respond if I can. I won't judge or lecture anyone for honest curiosity or confusion. (Keep in mind I'm just a well-meaning White middle-class liberal, and no expert on racial issues.)

The twenty-four hours is up, folks! You can still post anonymously, but IP logging is back on. Thanks for your comments!

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
To be honest, it's because I cringe at the thought of frustrated, weary POC encountering yet more crap because of my dubious idea for an anonmeme.

[identity profile] jvowles.livejournal.com 2007-08-06 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
People who choose to define themselves by their race, who have selected just ONE facet of who they are as the only part that matters, seem to presume that everyone else does too.

We don't.

The goal isn't to ignore the differences of skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Those differences exist, and they DO matter -- but to some people, they're the ONLY thing that matters.

If you don't want skin color to matter to you, that's fine. If someone else does decide it's the most important thing, there's not much you can do to shake them of that stupid point of view -- and they're going to interpret EVERYTHING you say or do in whatever way suits their extremist viewpoint.

You can't reason extremists out of their viewpoint, because it's not grounded in reason. And people who see everything in terms of race -- either because they fear what's different, or because they've decided to make their race the most important thing in their identity -- are extremists.

I think however, the distinction is this: The idea is to NOT let obvious physical (but essentially cosmetic) differences get in the way of treating individuals fairly based on who THEY are and how THEY choose to act.

If someone chooses to get their feathers ruffled by your honest attempts to deal with them in a fair and unbiased manner, fuck 'em.

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2007-08-06 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
I personally haven't encountered any of these extremists who "see everything in terms of race", so I can't comment on that, but I'm reassured by Racism: a Very Short Introduction, which argues that racists are not necessarily irrational or extremist, and in fact can be argued round. The author gives a remarkable example of a British National Party candidate who campaigned on the basis that Asian people in her area were getting more than their share of local resources, was elected, and resigned when she found out the resources had actually been fairly allocated.
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[identity profile] purrdence.livejournal.com 2007-08-07 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I personally haven't encountered any of these extremists who "see everything in terms of race"

There are a minority of Aboriginal students at my school who come to school just to hang out with their friends in class and don't want to do any work. If they are reprimanded for their disruptive behaviour, the first thing they'll say is "You're only picking on me because I'm black." It's really frustrating, because it makes the rest of the Aboriginal students who do the right thing look bad.

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2007-08-07 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
They don't sound like extremists to me; they sound like brats!
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[identity profile] purrdence.livejournal.com 2007-08-07 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
If you are going by the "see everything in terms of race", those particular students do. While I'd say about 2/3s of the student and staff population is of Anglo/European descent, the other 1/3 is made of people of other ethnic/skin colour groups (Chinese, Arabic, Aboriginal, African, African American, Indian, Vietnamese etc) and that small (and vocal) group of Aboriginal students are the only one that pull the 'skin colour card' if things don't go their way. They may be brats now, but they're growing up into extremists.

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2007-08-07 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of teachers would be discombobulated by White Guilt if students pulled that trick on them. How do you handle it, when it happens?

[identity profile] thegameiam.livejournal.com 2007-08-06 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
hear hear. I spent a lot of words trying to say this (but not as well as you did).