dreamer_easy | (no subject)

Huge disappointment and anger over the passing of Prop 8 is understandable, but the blamestorming in some quarters is disgraceful. It was the Mormons! It was the Blacks! As though there are no gay Mormons, as though there are no gay Blacks; as though Mormons didn't fight Prop 8, as though Blacks didn't fight Prop 8 - alongside people of all races, religions, and politics.

Here's what the No On Prop 8 campaign has to say:

"We achieve nothing if we isolate the people who did not stand with us in this fight. We only further divide our state if we attempt to blame people of faith, African American voters, rural communities and others for this loss. We know people of all faiths, races and backgrounds stand with us in our fight to end discrimination, and will continue to do so. Now more than ever it is critical that we work together and respect our differences that make us a diverse and unique society. Only with that understanding will we achieve justice and equality for all."

(To be fair, "Mormons Stole Our Rights" has two good points: it at least acknowledges that gay Mormons exist; and the rather clever idea of challenging the church's tax exempt status on the grounds that its primary activity is lobbying.)

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Not sure what the deal is here. Prop 8 passed; I wouldn't have voted for it, I think it's wrong, but I don't live there. Someone voted for it, and I imagine that some of those who voted for it are black, or Mormons, just as I imagine that some of those who voted against it are black, or Mormons. The question is, how many? Some people clearly think there's been a vote swing in one or more demographics - that's their opinion.

I also imagine that many gay Mormons are either in the closet or estranged from the church. I don't think the church of LDS approves of homosexuality.

The challenge to the church of LDS' tax exempt status is a clever tactic, but you seem to be suggesting that the challenge is a good thing. Is this so and if so, why?

Erm. I think it'd be a good idea if you followed some of the links I've posted, or did a bit of Googling , so you've got the background on this before we discuss it.

That is far too much work! I insist that you explain everything for me so that I can disagree with it!

...sorry, possibly time to cut back on the caffeine. Point taken.

Lulz! You're a gentleman and a scholar, sir.