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Just found a very embarrassing thread (not saying where) in which some zine editor wonders where all the female fan fic authors are, then proceeds to either slag off or patronise rigid pretty much everyone who responds, even to just ask a question about the zine - such as what the editor means by "semi-pro", which turns out to be different from what the rest of the universe means by it. The best bit is where said editor tells a writer "your grammar, spelling, sentence structure, etc, and [sic] way too below the level I look out for when commissioning" and then describes that writer's approach as "bizaar". Why anyone would want to work with them, let alone be edited by them, after reading that thread I have no idea. :-P

(Sadly, the thread has calmed down too much now to be worthy of fan_wank.)

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(Sadly, the thread has calmed down too much now to be worthy of fan_wank.)

that doesn't mean the shit can't still be stirred. now, where's my wooden spoon..

I once got a rejection letter from a real literary agency that showed a poor grasp of grammar, spelling, punctuation and basic logic. I had to read it through carefully about four times just to be sure it was actually a rejection.

Ho hum.

Sounds like the rejection from my first EDA attempt :-)

Ah, I only ever got pretty cool rejections from the Who people. Well, one of them was a but shirty, but that was fair enough as I had sent them a pile of crap in word form.

Tee hee

*warning bells*

*brings out speshul ikon anyway*

The editor sounds like a right twat

"(Sadly, the thread has calmed down too much now to be worthy of fan_wank.)"

Oh yeah, go on, blame the Bus for ~~universal~~ forum peace. :-p

*tries not to guess where it is*

...

*tries not to go there and gawk*

where all the female fan fic authors are

wtf? You'd have to have a blindfold on not to see them! Or have some sort of weird glasses that only allow you to see men and ambiguously gendered persons...

They're polarised. Male shows up, ambiguous is still somewhat visible, but pure female is filtered out.

If they turn their glasses sideways they should be able to see the women.

I just can't imagine not seeing *90%* of the fanfic writers.

That's like saying the only people writing knitting books are Horst Schultz and Kaffe Fassett.

I'm continually weirded, as 90% of fanfic authors in US media fandom have been female for something like 40 years. Sure, comics fandom and gaming fandom and some trad. male aspects of media fandom (such as LARPing, model making, collectibles liek cards, etc.) have been either clsoe to gender parity (comics and anime have now levelled out nicely, after 10 years of anime and manga making inroads into US popular culure) predominantly male...

But media 'zines? (Then again, I came from Robin of Sherwood fandom, which has always been 200 wimmin and 3 blokes, at the best of times.)

I think some fandoms exist on a special island with amazing forcefields wot keep the rest of the universe out.

There's a surprising amount of partitioning between bits of fandom online - people tend to know one, or a few, locations, and stick with them: Usenet or OG or Yahoo! Groups or LJ. Being a total.net.slut I do 'em all, but I still experienced culture shock when joining LJ for the first time - both the jargon *and* the expected style of behaviour and communication were different.

I finally found the thread (and responded) and I think it's definitely a case of people existing in the same fandom in COMPLETELY diferent locales. And it's bizarre to see people applying the norm for one forum to the entire fandom at large.

But at the same time, I was shocked when I joined OG (which I see as increasingly insular the more I post on the forums there) so I suppose it's a two-way street. All of my experience with media fandom--on-line and off--has been primarily with women, with the sole exception of comics fandom for about a decade there. But even comics has coem closer to gender parity in the last few years. OG just continues to throw me, with the bizarre "boys club" attitude.

LJ for me was a totally logical migration from mailing lists and Usenet (which is where I primarily hung out in the 1990s). And I followed folks FROM fandom to LJ (namely, Ann Larimer and Susan Garrett and a bunch of other folk from FK fandom) and so I was still, for the first year or so I was on LJ, hanging out with the same folks I'd hung out with at cons like MediaWest and on lists. It's only really the last 2-3 years that LJ has become my primary stomping ground.

People in like usenet don't say "l0lz!" like they *know* how funny it is. :(

Ah, that's what I told him...which led to several pages of...um...fun, yes. :)

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