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The grinding of gears on the "How to Write Better Fan Fic" panel at Chi-TARDIS has an obvious source: the differences between professional writing and amateur writing.

The first hurdle in discussing those differences is the connotations of "professional" and "amateur". If you bristled just at the sight of those words, you know exactly what I mean. To get over the hurdle, we need to borrow a page from academia, and forget about trying to define what kinds of writing are somehow valid or important or good while others aren't.

Professional writing, then, is any writing done with the intention of getting paid for it. (And presumably published, although it's not unusual to be paid for writing that never actually makes it into print.) It's easy to determine if a piece of professional writing is successful: the writer is paid for it.

Amateur writing is writing done without the intention of getting paid for it. By this definition, fan fiction is a kind of amateur writing. It's much harder to determine whether a piece of amateur writing is successful. Personal satisfaction, peer acclaim - there are numerous possible criteria.

(These definitions obviously aren't perfect, but they'll do for the purposes of this posting. Keep in mind that "professional" and "amateur" here refer only to the intention of the writer, not to the status or quality of the work.)

Because the two kinds of writing have different goals, professional writers and amateur writers need to use different methods in order to succeed.

And this is where the confusion stems from. In the Fan Fic panel, I started to go on (and on, and on) about the relative unimportance of spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Now, this is good advice if your goal is publication. I suspect every professional goes through a phase where they worry way too much about the wrong stuff, the stuff that's relatively easy to see. But if you're gonna get a rejection slip, it's not gonna be because you didn't use an Oxford comma. There are a world of technical things that can go wrong with stories which have nothing to do with whether you stapled your ms or misspelled "Arcturus" throughout.

Crucially, though, it's not such good advice if your goal is not to take the money while someone else does the publishing. Publishers have a staff whose job it is to polish up your rough work, from the editor who works with you on major changes at all stages of the writing, to the copy editor who proofreads the resulting ms before it goes off to the printers (or goes up on the Web page). Amateur writers don't have the luxury of a team whose job it is to make them look good; they have to attend to that final polish themselves (perhaps with the help of a beta). So for the fanficcer, spelling, grammar, and punctuation take on more importance than they do for the pro.

That said, it's still possible for an fanficcer to overestimate their importance. There's little point in proofreading a first draft; save that polish for the final draft. If someone's story is boring as rocks, don't waste time on Britpicking, suggest some ways they can introduce conflict.

On the panel, we never did manage to get around to the topic of how to write better fan fiction. I was trying to give advice on how to get published, which actually isn't much use. The panellists, I think, needed to work out where the techniques of pro and amateur fiction overlap, and where they're distinct. A few examples did pop up: both fanfic and pro fic need good pacing; the fanficcer needs to worry about eagle-eyed readers swooping on small errors (perhaps, in this area, fanfic is more like technical writing or non-fiction writing than like pro fic?). What are the pleasures that fanfic writers derive from their work, what are the pleasures their readers want and expect, and how do these compare to pro fiction? Perhaps the next panel could have pro writers and fanfic writers each describing how they have improved their own work, then looking for the similarities and differences between the two approaches. I think that'd be fascinating. Certainly less fraught. :)

A postscriptum: a couple of panellists were certain there were legal precedents involving fanfic - can someone point me to those cases?

ETA: Something I meant to add about not proofreading first drafts - not only is this likely to be a waste of time, but it can be a positive danger. If you're really determined to get the best out of the story, you may find yourself having to cut out great swathes of text, or rip the whole thing up and start again - just moving the words about a bit may not be enough to solve major structural problems. Mind you, few of us have the time and energy to put fanfic through draft after draft in this way, whereas a scribbler hoping to escape the slush pile may have no other choice.

Date: 2008-12-04 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] outsdr.livejournal.com
A postscriptum: a couple of panellists were certain there were legal precedents involving fanfic - can someone point me to those cases?

What type of legal precedents?

Date: 2008-12-04 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com
IIRC it was the saving of a fan's bacon thanks to one of those disclaimers that preface so much fic, but I may have got the details muddled up.

Date: 2008-12-04 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antikythera.livejournal.com
Regarding amateur vs. professional: just ask amateur astronomers. There are lots of people out there who want to do science and who are smart enough to do science, but not so many jobs in which they can get paid for it. Hence, there is a very active community of people who do science because they like it, and they buy their own equipment and work closely with professionals, and wear the badge of 'amateur' with pride.

Date: 2008-12-04 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jvowles.livejournal.com
I get a bunch of good-natured grief from my boss whenever he asks me to write something. My approach, honed in college, has always been to emulate the great sculpting masters.

In other words, pour a bunch of words into a big block, and then cut out all the bits that don't look like Michelangelo's David.

Or something. :)

Anyway, words first to fill up the page, then cut out the bad ones.

Date: 2008-12-04 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhg.livejournal.com
I'd've thought that by far the best way to improve your writing is to get it past a tough and pernickety editor.

As such, 'tis a shame that the fanzines of old on which the likes of Cornell cut their teeth seem to have gone the way of the dodo.

Date: 2008-12-04 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com
The single hardest thing for a writer to do is drop-kick their ego out the window and take hard feedback. I don't mean rudeness - just the kind of penetrating observation that can have you throwing out the whole thing, starting over, and hopefully getting it right this time. (Lloyd Rose has just done this to me with Accelerated Dragon. Argh.) In the case of fanfic, hardcore critting may be worse than useless - for example, if someone's writing just for a laugh or as a form of socialisation, tossing in a feedback grenade (however courteous) would be wildly inappropriate. For a professional writer, though, nothing is more helpful.

Something which did come up on the panel is the marvellous freedom of fanfic - the writer has no limitations of form or content or budget. It's something I enjoy hugely when I have a chance to write fanfic, but it does come with a price: if you can get away with anything, then you can get away with anything, if you see what I mean - there's a danger, IMHO, of being like a kid who always gets any toy they ask for. A fanficcer who wants to improve their work has got to impose their own discipline and set their own challenges.
Edited Date: 2008-12-04 12:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-12-04 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhg.livejournal.com
Good god yes.

You've only got to see how much Big Finish's output has improved since they got a lot stricter on running time etc.

Limitations are good.

Date: 2008-12-05 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taraljc.livejournal.com
I mentioned the Marion Zimmer Bradley example. She had to scrap a novel due to a fan author claiming ownership of a plot becasue a similar story had appeared in a'zine, and it's a well-documented case. Also, various legal departments have sent out C&Ds to fans who have attempted to sell their work as unlicensed merch. There was also a case a year or so ago, involving a Star Wars fan-written novel listed on Amazon. I'd suggest checking at the OTW (Organisation for Transformative Works). Their wiki-in-progress has a lot of details about American media fandom of the last 30-odd years. Tho it's rare, it does happen.

And I kept trying to make the point that having a beta to copy edit the final draft isn't the same thing as having a beta to give you content feedback on pacing, characterisation, plot, flow, etc. But it got a bit lost in the shuffle. But the main reason for a copy edit before you post is that then you're less likely to actually have a reader thrown out of the narrative by anything so mundane as grammar. I figure, your goal should always been to--for the duration of the story--allow the reader to be fully immersed in the story. But factual errors, POV jumps, continuity errors, spelling and gramatical errors are obstacles that can easily be removed by editing it before posting it. And that's the final step a lot of first-time or slipshod fan authors online skip, in their mad rush to get it out there for audiences to read.

Date: 2008-12-05 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com
Ah! I see where we got jammed. By "legal precedent", I meant a court case which resulted in a judgement (IIUC these are much more significant in British and therefore Australian law than in US law). AFAIK, fanfic has yet to have its day in court. (With a bit of luck, it never will, 'cos let's face it, we'd be crushed like bugs.)

Hell of a panel. Simon Guerrier's lucky he's still alive. Full of brain-stimulatin' stuff, though. *tips hat*

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