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[dreamer_easy]

With the greatest respect, Z Budapest, the Goddess made sexual diversity. She made it in the same playful, creative spirit in which she set off the Cambrian explosion. Why would a Goddess who could cook up ciswomen, transwomen, intersex women, genderqueer women, straight women, bi women, gay women, asexual women, fertile women, infertile women, girls who become boys at puberty - the list goes on - want us to throw some of the flowers out of that bouquet?

If there was some sort of history of transwomen disrupting "women-only" events - through their own actions, not just by being there - I could understand this insistence on excluding them. As it is, it seems more like a canon argument: arbitrary and ultimately pointless. The definitions you offer, Z - ovaries, womb, menstruation - don't apply to hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of "women-born women".

Chances are I'll never find myself invited into an event from which transwomen are barred. If I ever do, for the duration of that event, you may consider me a man.

She changes the left side into the right side, she changes the right side into the left side, she turns a man into a woman, she turns a woman into a man. She changes everything she touches, and everything she touches changes.

Comments

[iblis-kukl.livejournal.com]

[dreamer-easy.livejournal.com]

A thoughtful comment at that link by someone from Reclaiming, who points out this was a ritual honouring Lilith - "the poster-child for gender role transgression"! :)

[klgaffney.livejournal.com]

yeah, i followed the whole thing, on account that some of the blog circles i read were going a bit "bzzuuh?" at her. she really should know better, and honestly, it'd be just LIKE the goddess to stir the pot and make her and everyone else THINK about these things just like this. i'd say that ritual was successful. ;)

[dreamer-easy.livejournal.com]

I like this interpretation very much. >:)

[kelliem.livejournal.com]

Z's comments make me sad. Fortunately there are others who are bringing more thought and less reactiveness to the discussion.

[vyrdolak1998.livejournal.com]

Both Z. Budapest and this controversy have been around for a really long time. The first time I was at a gathering where a "women's mysteries" event was conspicuously posted as "for women born women only" was in the late 80s, and it created a bit of an uproar. There was at least one fairly high-profile transwoman Pagan leader (and UU minister) in attendance. The event organizers refused to back down.

Since Z. Budapest survived the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 and has been making national news for her radical points of view since the 1970s, I seriously doubt that she's going to listen to any arguments, logical or emotional.

OTOH, precisely because she is so radical, she doesn't really have a lot of influence generally speaking. She tends to "preach to the choir" of those who already agree with her, anyway.

[dreamer-easy.livejournal.com]

All true! Couldn't help adding my two cents, though. Increasingly, everything from neurology to archaeology is undermining those outdated ideas. Plus there's the current blossoming of the trans* movement, along with other alternative gender and sexual identities, such as the asexuals. Exciting times!

[rainbowjehan.livejournal.com]

Z. Budapest makes me want to bang my head on a wall and always has. Sigh.

[dreamer-easy.livejournal.com]

he he he

http://www.amazon.com/review/R37UHR9SLU0XVG

[rainbowjehan.livejournal.com]

THANK you.

[bodlon.livejournal.com]

Of the many things I've seen posted about this, this is maybe one of my favorites. Thank you for saying this.

[dreamer-easy.livejournal.com]

Blimey! Thanks. *retreats in confusion* #^_^#