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[livejournal.com profile] lizbee has now corrected her review of Chicks Dig Time Lords to remove the untrue statement. I appreciate her honesty.

While I was poking around in my earliest postings at [livejournal.com profile] seeingred, I came across my thoughts on Martha and the "Mammy" stereotype. I made many blunders in those early days, and said things which could fairly be described as insensitive and ignorant; so it was reassuring to re-read that particular posting and the discussion in the comments, and discover I hadn't made a complete hash of things. :)

Date: 2010-04-07 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antikythera.livejournal.com
Did she take it out of the Amazon review too? Or does she need to tell Amazon to take it down?

Date: 2010-04-08 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamer-easy.livejournal.com
She did, yes.

Date: 2010-04-07 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qthewetsprocket.livejournal.com
Hooray! That's the best you can ask for, really.

(Ditto what Antikythera asked about Amazon, though.)

Date: 2010-04-08 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamer-easy.livejournal.com
It's all I asked for. :) And yep, the Amazon review has been corrected as well.

Date: 2010-04-08 02:40 am (UTC)
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Hm. I'm not sure that "because she created an anti-racism sidejournal that was not explicitly exclusive to white people, it just started out as explicitly unwelcoming to People of Colour, and currently it only frames itself as a non-safe space for PoC, so that's all right then" is any better myself, but if you're happy with it.

I'm assuming this is all fallout from RaceFail? Otherwise I'm kind of finding the whole thing bizarre. I initially assumed you must have had some run in IRL or something, but later comments made me wonder.

(And really, 'explicitly unwelcoming to POC'?)

Date: 2010-04-08 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamer-easy.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] seeingred comes with a disclaimer:

"THIS IS A NO SNARK ZONE. Disagreement and debate are welcome, but lecturing, bitching, and eye-rolling aren't. POC be warned: you may encounter frustrating White people here. Please consider them my problem, not yours. Erm, especially if they're me. :-)"

There are many comms and blogs which are "safe spaces" for POC - that is, where they're able to say what they think without being constantly interrupted and challenged by white people, often with threadbare or naive arguments. [livejournal.com profile] deadbrowalking is an example; Racewank '07 aka Marthagate partly began when I rudely contradicted someone there, someone I'd met IRL and knew was white - but everyone assumed I was dissing a FOC! Not my brightest moment...

Anywho, I let my less enlightened white friends comment at [livejournal.com profile] seeingred - so that I can argue with them. :) Over the years that's been a good learning tool for me, and perhaps I've changed a few minds about a few things. But early on it resulted in an unhappy clash between two of my friends, something I still regret not handling better.

So I think it's important that visiting POC get fair warning, but also that they don't feel obliged to engage with white people they find annoying: it's my job to do that. You can see how some POC could find this "unwelcoming", although obviously some don't have a problem with it.

Date: 2010-04-08 08:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hnpcc
Ah, OK. Makes more sense to me now (obviously I haven't read the disclaimer recently enough to remember it).

Racewank '07 aka Marthagate partly began when I rudely contradicted someone there, someone I'd met IRL and knew was white - but everyone assumed I was dissing a FOC!

And ditto previous comment.

I would like to say I try not to assume race or gender or anything - but of course I do. Everyone speaks with an Australian accent in my mind (unless I've met them IRL - then they sound like themselves) for starters. At least two people I thought were male were female and vice versa (pre-1997 women posting tended to have very gender neutral online names (well, where I hung out!), myself included. Not least to cut down on the "wanna hook up?" e-mails, which God, no).

At the moment I seem to visualise people as their icon - which makes at least one of my flist a Womble. An Australian accented one.

LizBee versus Chicks Dig Time Lords

Date: 2010-04-18 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xanthian-kpd.livejournal.com
LizBee may have recanted her misstatement, but since it is still there to read, just with strikeout lines through it, that doesn't change the insult much. Her entire hatchet job on your essay entry in the book remains.

By proximity, the implication that it was because of your entry that she marked the entire collection "get it from the library" also hangs in the air.

I'm guessing such hostilities are quite normal in the Doctor Who fan community.

I'm so glad I never liked the Doctor Who episodes in the first place and so escaped such debates over minute fractions of the total series.

As for your "masculine" bluntness, talk.bizarre or any other part of Usenet evokes such bluntness in participants, and you participated there for a long time before more interactive social networking sites came into existence.

Having that bluntness move with you into other social interactions isn't very surprising, from my vantage point.

Nor do I see it as a flaw in your behavior.

xanthian.

Re: LizBee versus Chicks Dig Time Lords

Date: 2010-04-18 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamer-easy.livejournal.com
*tips hat*

These days, I'm investigating the Buddhist concept of Right Speech. As a podcast explained, it doesn't mean morally right, so much as appropriate and effective - what they call skilful. When being brusque or blunt stops people from hearing what you're saying, it's unskilful speech. Of course, in other circumstances, being blunt is exactly what's needed to make people hear you!

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